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Is 800 dpi good?
« on: 06:24 PM - 05/14/18 »
So I've ordered my Xim apex a while ago and I was going to use a cheap keyabord and mouse. The mouse I am going to use is the Logitech B100 800 dpi. The keyboard is some keymaster keyboard.Although this is just going to be temporary until I get the real mnk.

Just wondering if 800 dpi is good. Thanks.

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #1 on: 06:39 PM - 05/14/18 »
No, 800 DPI is not good. We recommend a mouse capable of at least 3200 DPI. At 800 DPI, you'll get pixel skipping and interpolation. Basically your Xim experience will be crap and you'll likely point the finger at the Xim, but it's the mouse to blame.

If you need a good, cheap gaming mouse that pairs really well with a Xim, take a look at the Logitech G203. If you want something a bit fancier, G502. Anything from the Logitech Gaming range of mice will work really well. Avoid Razer mice, they're not great.

The reason gaming mice are recommended is because of the substantially better sensor, which will directly affect your performance. Pay peanuts, get monkeys...

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #2 on: 06:41 PM - 05/14/18 »
Welcome to the community. I would expect degraded performance. Until you're able to upgrade your mouse I don't recommend adjusting APEX response rate or sync settings. Leave expert mode disabled until you have a mouse capable of a higher polling rate and DPI. Even with these suggestions your performance may be degraded, more DPI will allow for smoother micro movement. A gaming mouse will also likely have a better sensor than a non-gaming mouse.

If you're saving for a mouse I recommend the G502 for it's build quality, button count, and sensor.
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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #3 on: 06:42 PM - 05/14/18 »
Trust me he isn't lying im using a mouse atm with 200 dpi its really really unusable turning takes forever sens has to be put to max on both the game and even on the app its crazy annoying

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #4 on: 07:23 PM - 05/14/18 »
You can try making the most of that DPI by putting your Apex on 125Hz and common sync. But I'd still suggest getting a better mouse, it should be the most important device out of your peripherals, followed by a good mousepad and then keyboard.

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #5 on: 01:05 AM - 05/15/18 »
Ok thank you all for your suggestions I am going for the g213 and 403 prodigy mnk bundle. I also thank you all for the welcoming response to the xim community.

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #6 on: 03:15 AM - 05/15/18 »
G502 - I use every single button this mouse in conjunction with a Sony Nav Controller and couldn't do with a mouse with less buttons alas.  If I were using a keyboard instead, then perhaps I'd look at something else with less buttons, but for me, the G502 is the ideal solution to meet my needs.  Added to that, its pretty cheap!


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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #7 on: 04:14 AM - 05/15/18 »
So I've ordered my Xim apex a while ago and I was going to use a cheap keyabord and mouse. The mouse I am going to use is the Logitech B100 800 dpi. The keyboard is some keymaster keyboard.Although this is just going to be temporary until I get the real mnk.

Just wondering if 800 dpi is good. Thanks.

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #8 on: 04:16 AM - 05/15/18 »
http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=66177.0
Different sensor, different experience. Worth a try, but it's a cheapo office mouse and will perform as such.

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #9 on: 04:21 AM - 05/15/18 »
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Different sensor, different experience. Worth a try, but it's a cheapo office mouse and will perform as such.

true

I do reference our mouse but this is general advice for any mouse.

that said I guess I overlooked cheapo office mouse lol. I'm tired.

and chances are the cpi of that cheapo mouse is 400 and only 125Hz but I don't even feel like researching it atm haha


so OP maybe buy a g pro if you can.
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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #10 on: 10:32 AM - 05/16/18 »
No, 800 DPI is not good. We recommend a mouse capable of at least 3200 DPI. At 800 DPI, you'll get pixel skipping and interpolation. Basically your Xim experience will be crap and you'll likely point the finger at the Xim, but it's the mouse to blame.

If you need a good, cheap gaming mouse that pairs really well with a Xim, take a look at the Logitech G203. If you want something a bit fancier, G502. Anything from the Logitech Gaming range of mice will work really well. Avoid Razer mice, they're not great.

The reason gaming mice are recommended is because of the substantially better sensor, which will directly affect your performance. Pay peanuts, get monkeys...

So why do PC players play with DPI settings like 200-800 and have zero issues? yes were talking a PC vs the Xim but still i just dont understand the specifics and how a low DPI on PC would be different on XIM since there both a measurement of dots per inch and would still cause pixel skipping on the PC?? Does the interpolation come into play? Why wouldnt PC players want to be playing on max DPI like 10-12K? Sorry for all the questions just need some clarification!

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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #11 on: 03:52 PM - 05/16/18 »
Because PC players don't know any better. Monkey see, monkey do... They do what everyone else does without actually taking the time to test the mouse sensor at higher DPI.

Watch Rocket Jump Ninja's "great sensor debate" series on YouTube. RJN is respected enough that his videos feature on multiple mouse manufacturer websites. He's tested hundreds of mice and knows more about this topic than your average PC gaming "pro".

In some very simple tracking tests, he shows 3200 has better tracking than 400, 800 or 1600 DPI, with diminishing returns above 3200.

He's followed that up with comments that all mice experience problems at 400 and 800 DPI.
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All mice are jerky at 400 and 800 DPI, not just this one. Go do the tests yourselves, you'll see! You can still play well on low DPI, I just prefer extra smoothness.

By smoothness he means improved mouse tracking, not mouse smoothing that kicks in at higher DPI.

The best PC DPI is arguably 3200, however it's not significantly better than 1600 DPI. 3200 also performs beautifully on Apex, but it's the recommended minimum on Xim as opposed to maximum on PC. So if you want one setting for all platforms, adapt to 3200 DPI on PC. You'll be mocked for it, but that's the just the PC master race herd mentality at play.
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Re: Is 800 dpi good?
« Reply #12 on: 01:05 AM - 05/23/18 »
would 1600 dpi be considered to low? prob lowest you would want to go on 1000hz? or bad idea? wouldn't it be better to maybe just use 3200 and drop the polling on apex to like 250?? while keeping the mouse at 1k obviously... doesn't the ps4 only poll at 250hz anyway so isn't it wise to match that up? in terms of wanting sticky AA and controller like movement i guess... i've always used 400dpi on PC... and just started using 800dpi and it's a lot better tbh... i consider 3200 super high on PC, i wouldn't go over 1600-1800 that's just me though, for gaming. It is nice to use on the desktop tho, 3200 that is...
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