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Offline Mazen al shami

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #30 on: 07:57 AM - 04/13/18 »
Tried every thing lower sens lowerdpi 125hz ... any thing ... still jitter .... hehehe i think i  got my hope so high in this xim....  any way thx for the the nice community

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #31 on: 10:02 PM - 04/14/18 »
Tried every thing lower sens lowerdpi 125hz ... any thing ... still jitter .... hehehe i think i  got my hope so high in this xim....  any way thx for the the nice community
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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #32 on: 10:46 PM - 04/14/18 »
Jitter is usually environmental. It's either an issue with the mouse settings (high DPI or polling, or a poor sensor), environment (uncalibrated mousepad, dirt, hair etc) or physical (hand shake, nervous energy).

Xim has several tools to mitigate jitter, but it's largely in your own hands, literally, to solve.

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #33 on: 09:23 PM - 04/15/18 »
Tried every thing lower sens lowerdpi 125hz ... any thing ... still jitter .... hehehe i think i  got my hope so high in this xim....  any way thx for the the nice community

Make sure you're selecting the right console and loading the correct config
If I was to use my ps4 fortnite config on Xbox same settings everything I get a bad jitter if I was to use it on xbox

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #34 on: 12:46 AM - 04/16/18 »
Dunno how people get these problems.

I'm using Logitech G502 at 12k DPI, 1000Hz with the Apex, no problem, playing Battlefront 2 on PS4 Pro at 12 hip and 10 ads, everything feels butter smooth compared to the Xim4..

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #35 on: 12:56 AM - 04/16/18 »
Depends on your play style and what you like best. I've tried a @#$% load of mice and setups over the past few weeks and there is absolutely no advantage of 12k/16k over a 3200-4000 dpi mouse.

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #36 on: 12:07 AM - 04/17/18 »
so is 3200 DPI preferred over 10-12k dpi?? What would i gain on the APEX if i switch down to 3200, more AA?

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #37 on: 01:57 AM - 04/17/18 »
The XIM does pixeljumps at high sens values. So the goal is to lower the sens as much as possible. High DPI helps lowering the sens so true 12K, yes please.
For the Hz I understand higher Hz is lower lag. So yes 1000hz please.
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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #38 on: 02:13 AM - 04/17/18 »

Based on sensor testing data, the right DPI value to avoid mouse smoothing may in fact be 1600. However, I don't think it's prominent enough for most people to notice and 1600 is too low on Xim for Sync > Off without hitting the sensitivity cap, so 3200 is the recommended minimum. That said, 1600 DPI is fine for other Sync settings.


so this is the way to go in every game?
DPI to 3200 and Sync off?

I thought you should use the Sync thats fits the game (30 fps, 60fps etc.) ?

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #39 on: 03:42 AM - 04/17/18 »
So 1600 or 3200? First it was 12k is the best now I need to lower it and turn sync on? I have sync enabled now with 12k but I have it set to default because all options feel odd now

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #40 on: 04:12 AM - 04/17/18 »
10 sens @ 12K = 20 sens @ 6K = 30 sens @ 4K = 40 sens @ 3K. They're all the same.

The reason high DPI mice are recommended is simply because they use more modern, better sensors than most mice. The reason max DPI is recommended is to pull people's mindsets away from really low DPI values like 400 and 800 typically seen on PC, because those DPI settings tend to cause interpolation and pixel-skipping on a Xim.

All you need for optimal performance on a Xim is a mouse capable of around 3000 DPI with a decent sensor under the hood. If you've got an older mouse with a 3310 Pixart optical sensor running at 3200 DPI (e.g most Zowie mice), there's no need to replace it with a 3360 Pixart sensor running at 12K (most Logitech mice), or a 3389 Pixart sensor running at 16K (new Razer mice).

The performance difference on Pixart sensors from 3200 to 16000 DPI is negligible and if anything, you're adding jitter into the mix by going with ultra-high DPI.

If you want to play it safe and go for a "one size fits all" mouse setting, I'd go with 3200 DPI and 500Hz polling, as long as you're using a mouse with a Pixart 3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 sensor, which is most gaming mice from the last few years.

Steer clear of laser sensors whenever possible, especially Razer mice with "3G" or "4G" laser sensors. They are almost without fail complete crap on a Xim.

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #41 on: 04:37 AM - 04/17/18 »
So 1600 or 3200? First it was 12k is the best now I need to lower it and turn sync on? I have sync enabled now with 12k but I have it set to default because all options feel odd now

yeah it's pretty confusing right now at wich point the xim performs the best.. i just want to figure out wich settings to use for rb6

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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #42 on: 04:39 AM - 04/17/18 »
I've been running my G502 at 3200DPI and 500hz polling, however, I switched it to 12K and 1000Hz polling (despite mouserate.exe showing that the mouse, or any of my other devices aren't stable at 1000hz) and no issues whatsoever with jitter, and that's using a cloth mouse pad - Roccat Taito Control or Cooler Master Swift-RX (do have hard pads but prefer the feel of cloth).

I don't know if its just my perception, but it seems to be better at tracking with this setting - it feels smoother when scoped and keeping track of enemies is easier.



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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #43 on: 06:01 AM - 04/17/18 »
So when i got my apex my mouse highest dpi back then was 3200 and my xim sens was bettwen 30 40 but i saw people talk in this community about if you have higher dpi and i lower xim sens it will be better ... so i got razer naga and it was Not cheap so i put it to16k dpi and 1000 hz.... and i lowerd my xim sens as many people told me hereto like 10  .... and it was nice moving on hip ... but when i ads on bf1 i cant make tiny movment ..... my friend told me that its beacuse of the 16k dpi ..... is that right ?? Plz answer me cuz i  bought this mouse just for xim

unfortunately many mice drop extra frames as a form of smoothing at extreme DPI levels 32 frames at 16kdpi with my razer mice  it's terrible. keep your dpi below 1800 and you will only have the minimum 2frame buffer. if you really want to run high dpi without this issue try the g502 it is capable of running 12kdpi with only 2dropped frames. now the g502 3366 sensor feels great for many games at max dpi but battlefield 1 ads was still a bit sluggish for me unless using sync-free.

i've experienced your BF1 issue and you can correct it by using any of these settings which i have used at one time or another. if your naga ony does 500Hz with XIM then divide the sens by 2 for the 1000Hz setups.

800DPI @ 1000Hz and using framerate sync. this will provide a nice controlled and responsive feel. the framesync will make it feel just as smooth as extreme dpi with nosync if not better.

400dpi @125hz with 2 smoothing for both hip and ads with synchronization disabled. my sens was somewhere between 300-333.3. it performed great.

1800dpi 125hz between 60 - 66.66 sens no smooth no sync

1800, 1000hz, 500sens, 20 smooth, no sync.


1600dpi, 1000Hz, Common Sync, 36sens

Under advanced controls enable uniform soldier aiming and leave coefficient at 133 if playing at the default field of view or use 178 for fov of 90. DISABLE your ADS translator on XIM MANAGER also by clearing the activation key.

also, the naga uses a laser sensor and it would be best to use one with an optical especially if using with a cloth mousepad.  one last thing, laser mice have acceleration issues over distance especially at higher dpi.
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Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
« Reply #44 on: 07:02 AM - 04/17/18 »
Depends on your play style and what you like best. I've tried a @#$% load of mice and setups over the past few weeks and there is absolutely no advantage of 12k/16k over a 3200-4000 dpi mouse.

Well idk if itís just in my head but it seems easier to track with 12k than with lower dpi. Aim assist is there but itís more controllable w/ 12k than with 3200 or at least it feels that way for me (easier to break through bubble if needed). This was my experience with overwatch though.