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Offline Mark8010

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #15 on: 02:11 AM - 08/10/18 »
Count me in, a NAV alternative with more accessible buttons is an easy buy for me.

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #16 on: 07:41 AM - 08/10/18 »
If you guys paid shipping (UK and AUS guy) I would have no problem shipping it there.
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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #17 on: 03:42 PM - 08/10/18 »
How is g13 with mod stick is it comfortable? I bought sony nav but he is not comfortable i have razer orbweaver but i wanted to try how it is with analog motion and aim assist is much better than digital movement

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #18 on: 08:03 PM - 08/10/18 »
If you guys paid shipping (UK and AUS guy) I would have no problem shipping it there.

If the costs are not too ridiculous then I'll have no problem, have you any idea on the style and button layout?

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #19 on: 03:46 PM - 08/11/18 »
Like I said, I'd make it exactly like an Xbox 360 controller, just the left half, and have buttons on the back where you fingers wrap around. I added up some more numbers, and thought more about the time I'd put into it, and realized it wouldn't be feasible at the price I said previously. For now I'm going to bench this project as I'm really busy atm, moving back to school and such. Maybe in a couple weeks I could run a mini-kickstarter on this forum of some kind.
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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #20 on: 04:57 PM - 08/11/18 »
Like I said, I'd make it exactly like an Xbox 360 controller, just the left half, and have buttons on the back where you fingers wrap around. I added up some more numbers, and thought more about the time I'd put into it, and realized it wouldn't be feasible at the price I said previously. For now I'm going to bench this project as I'm really busy atm, moving back to school and such. Maybe in a couple weeks I could run a mini-kickstarter on this forum of some kind.

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #21 on: 06:08 PM - 08/11/18 »
Like I said, I'd make it exactly like an Xbox 360 controller, just the left half, and have buttons on the back where you fingers wrap around. I added up some more numbers, and thought more about the time I'd put into it, and realized it wouldn't be feasible at the price I said previously. For now I'm going to bench this project as I'm really busy atm, moving back to school and such. Maybe in a couple weeks I could run a mini-kickstarter on this forum of some kind.


Having buttons on the back is every nunchuck users wet dream, will be interesting to see how that would work out.

With a ps4/xbox controller, your using both hands so that the controller is resting rather than gripped so using paddles is easy. With a nunchuck, I notice I was actually having to grip it to be able to use the analog and sometimes with more pressure at times.

I don't own an Xbox so I don't know what the shape of the controller is like compared to the ps4 controller when held.. but how doable is it to have a nunchuck that you can grip comfortably with somewhat pressure and have the buttons basically at a finger tips reach? I mean I don't know if it is just me but when I used the Sony Nav my fingers was pretty much locked in position on the back

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #22 on: 08:31 PM - 08/11/18 »
With a ps4/xbox controller, your using both hands so that the controller is resting rather than gripped so using paddles is easy. With a nunchuck, I notice I was actually having to grip it to be able to use the analog and sometimes with more pressure at times.

I don't own an Xbox so I don't know what the shape of the controller is like compared to the ps4 controller when held.. but how doable is it to have a nunchuck that you can grip comfortably with somewhat pressure and have the buttons basically at a finger tips reach? I mean I don't know if it is just me but when I used the Sony Nav my fingers was pretty much locked in position on the back
I actually have been thinking of this. That was one of the most annoying things when I used a nav - when gripping it so hard to use the thing, eventually my hand would cramp up. When pushing buttons on the controller, the other hand stabilizes it, and when using something like an orbweaver, the table holds it. I thought a great solution would be some sort of hand mounted device, and no not a glove, but a strap that just goes around your palm. If you've ever seen a loopy phone case, something kind of like that but on a nunchuck so that you can use it without needing to grip it tightly.

I know I have the technical skills to do build it, but I need to make sure I have the time, the production ability, and enough interest first. This thread isn't really the place for continued discussion. I have one open week before school starts, and I'm going to work on getting some 3d models of what I have envisioned, a better parts list, cost estimates, shipping estimates, and hopefully start looking towards maybe taking orders and seeing productions.
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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #23 on: 02:42 AM - 08/12/18 »
Count me in too!

Would be great if you succeed.

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #24 on: 04:30 AM - 08/12/18 »
I'd happily help fund a kickstarter, I think any NAV user would hugely benefit from this proposal, should be a big enough market for it.

I think the ergonomics / grip together with button layout is going to a tough challenge to get right. I put an extra button on a NAV, so using pinky and ring finger to grip, leaving middle finger for extra button(s), forefinger for trigger/jump buttons and thumb for analogue stick. Problem I found with this on the current NAV is the trigger/jump buttons need to be smaller (and trigger to not have such a large deadzone/travel time) for it to be comfortable and viable - hand size likely plays a role in this too.

One good thing I find with the NAV is the d-pad being so close to the analogue stick means I can press d-pad up with part of my thumb without taking it off the analogue stick.

I also use a joy-con and the benefit that has is the trigger + jump button are much better positioned relative to the analogue stick, but joy-con extra buttons position plus the overall grip + comfort are poor.

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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #25 on: 02:00 AM - 08/13/18 »
I think the ergonomics / grip together with button layout is going to a tough challenge to get right. I put an extra button on a NAV, so using pinky and ring finger to grip, leaving middle finger for extra button(s), forefinger for trigger/jump buttons and thumb for analogue stick. Problem I found with this on the current NAV is the trigger/jump buttons need to be smaller (and trigger to not have such a large deadzone/travel time) for it to be comfortable and viable - hand size likely plays a role in this too.
For trigger deadzone, I opened up my nav and added a small folded up piece of paper behind the trigger to reduce the deadzone. It worked very well, but eventually I just got so tired of holding that controller and wanted more buttons.

You listed the biggest issue with my design plan - hand size. It is impossible to produce something that works for everyone in terms of hand size. I happen to be freakishly tall, and with that, have freakishly large hands. Like can palm basketballs out of a dribble with ease large hands. I want a controller that is comfortable for myself, but also for other people, which is a challenge.
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Re: Sony Nav Alternatives
« Reply #26 on: Today at 07:21 PM »
I would be happy to help. My navs are a bit worn out lol.